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What is the state of Antivirus today? Is it about dead?

I read an email now twice, and it made me think the first time about the status of whether it is worth using Antivirus software. Companys like Eset, Trend Micro, and Norton are household names in this industry. Recently, I got an email from someone who wanted me to link to Eset in a piece I ran way back many years ago. I normally don’t do this because people don’t go back that far, but the email I got from Shaun got me to think.

I really like the way Trend Micro worked when I used it. It blocked things that were potentially harmful, and I could still view the portions of the page that were safe. If the entire web site was bad, they let you know! They’ve got a vast network and use the cloud to help keep you safe by proactively blocking bad URL’s or web sites as its been known.

I’ve also used Norton and Eset, and both were good in their time. While I’m not going to say one way or another whether any of these products are good today, I know that Windows Defender is not. I know this because I purposely downloaded a file I knew was bad. This program never picked it off. I think I deleted it now, but if Defender is to be good, it would know about this potential file because it came from an email claiming that I had an invoice, or some such thing.

In 2017, I wrote a very interesting blog post Antivirus and the disabled computer user where I ask the question of what is accessible out there. Two different products came out and none were products like Eset or even Trend Micro. I did download home, and never installed it.

In recent discussions, someone who does a technology show on the mix indicated I should get Malware Bytes. I’ve never used it, but the feedback I got indicated that it was accessible, and I’ve been contemplating downloading it.

In June 2020, I got the following Email from Shaun which sparked me thinking about this again, and I told the person I’d put a link to eset in to a post after thoroughly reviewing the following email.


Got this from another list I am lerking on.

Reviewing the windows release info there is something about avast.

What scares me is that avast own avg now.

So your supposed security software can smash your system to bits now.

You know I am so happy I no longer use security software bar windows defender with many excludes.

I do have and run from time to time malwarebytes but if this is the state of security software, then I’d rather get a virus, or hacked, or have to pay
a ransom.

I read the forums linked to from one of the posts and several others in the same vain and many people have had their systems completely destroyed.

Its a shame I have to say that, but maybe our security companies are getting to greedy on things.

Some of these guys that got hit actually payed for this shit, guess they won’t be coming back.

Not without reformatting and reinstalling everything at any rate which is what I would do.

I am surprised no one is suing over this, I’d at least want my money back and would never go back.

So pleased I quit the comercial security suite thing back in 2007.

My friend or at least one of them and his family are still wedded to norton.

After hearing all this, its really stopped me trusting any security suite or any anti anything software period at least all thirdparty things.

I’ll take passive preventitive protection and on demand protection but all these active defence live protections seem to be more trouble than they are

In my case it works but I have had to exclude so much of my drive from the viruses thing I may as well not bother running something like security.

And if microsoft gets really annoyed its starts saying system files that don’t exist have issues.

So far these are programs I can do without but I still get mad at all this.

In 2007 when it was accessibility it wasn’t to bad, it only got really bad in 2012 and didn’t get really bad till the end of last year beginning of this

I first noticed it after symantech got norton back in 2003, before that I actually used things and they worked.

The forwarded message links to two links about Windows 10 version 2004.

The first, Windows 10, version 2004 and Windows Server, version 2004 Known Issues and the second Resolved issues in Windows 10, version 2004 and Windows Server, version 2004. On the accessibility front, Blind Bargains posted Windows 10 2004 is Available; Narrator Gets Improved Web and Outlook Support, Even Firefox Compatibility on June 11th.

All of this is great, but what about the security software? Where does it stand with all of this? I don’t want to use inferior software that is not accessible enough to use to set up or even use if it does detect a problem.

Is MSE the best we can do? Windows Defender? Please sound off!

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What is the state of Antivirus today? Is it about dead? was released on July 6, 2020 at 8:30 am by tech in accessibility newsand issues,security news and commentary.
Last modified: July 5, 2020.

Comments (2)

  1. Comment by tech date 8 July 2020 alle 12:06 (),

    Virus totl is good but web based. I don’t think there is something to install that you can run. What changed? The writers of this stuff changed, it can now be fileless, taking advantage of the system as a whole, so the checks are more knowledgable of the aspect of seeing what it does and it usually to my knowledge works well at picking off these undefined things trying to do stuff you aren’t expecting. Not sure what the solution is, but we need something besides MSE or defender, thats for sure.

  2. Comment by crashmaster date 7 July 2020 alle 13:25 (),

    Hi jared.
    Nice article post.
    Don’t be surprised if you never get a hit on this.
    A lot of things depend where you go, something like virustotal would be really good in this situation if they had some sort of protection like a shield that would check everything files, etc and allow you to maybe update their definitions and report false alarms easily then that would be good.
    Back a few years, that was just going to slow things down and be a nusance but with the fast broadband in a lot of places and streaming multiple devices at once I see no problem with uploading and checking files that need to be checked with some sort of server and allowing you to report and have fixed false alarms in real time.
    The issue with a lot of these security companies is they have lost the plot, they add in everything from brousers, toolbars, and extras into their programs.
    Their goal understandably is to sell more product.
    I as a user and semi retired software pirate can at least respect that.
    What I can’t except is the way some of these are implemented, without the sayso of their userbase, features are often at least to my mind put in.
    I had a descussion with ccleaner research this week on the accessability of their stuff.
    Ccleaner has a lot of features in it that are really good, but we have a lot of stuff which just shouldn’t be there.
    Healthcheck and monitoring while I guess for a server environment and for a set and forget approach for general users that are really dumb has no place for the average jo like myself.
    Worse it will clash and is not to accessible in its own right.
    I have had a lot of accessibleish software bundled with software that has caused harm to the system and so after a full reformat has had me to abandon it.
    I have had to replace some of this software with less than accessible software.
    This software cost me a lot of cash, and while it does what I want it to, I need a sightling to help with its use.
    The only reason I have not moved out from ccleaner is for what I get from it right now there is no other I’d like to go to with the system intergration that it has but still.
    I had the same descussion over microsoft office and its pricing.
    Lets face it, the general user aint going to pay over 100 bucks a year for a subscription or 4-500 bucks every 5 or so years for a version unless she or he is in a business, has a multiple user situation, was trained and locked into it in a business, or has a multiple device setup.
    Meanwhile due to the eu and their rules round recycling while it hasn’t legalised the pirating of office its sort put it in the grey ariea as apple jailbreaking.
    Microsoft probably doesn’t like it I can convert an id generated from an aftermarket key from a site in china, but who knows.
    There are so many keys about as it is.
    That does give a small bit of protection to users but it shouldn’t ever have got that bad.
    Most users will not use every program in office for every day of their lives which means you aren’t getting your money’s worth in it in my opinion.
    I thankfully as a job was able to pull out of office as a service or product ages back since I am essentially self employed.
    My work is the brouser, and an emailer and a word processer and a few other things.
    The processer was an optional low cost thing.
    The rest are free.
    Free office aint the same as the payed stuff which is probably the only thing microsoft have going for them right now.
    That and enterprises and small to medium businesses.
    But office at least microsoft office even though they have a basic one for home aint probably for the home user pricewize.
    The only reason at all I get office even at a semi legal key is for people in my family that have worked in business and are trained for it.
    I have family that in no way shape or form can legally afford office.
    These people used it for their work and are used to it and can’t go back to anything else.
    My idea would be to get away from it but if you are trained for it all your life then maybe you are stuck.
    Thhe same went with apple devices.
    I was given an iphone.
    I set it up, began to learn the interface, even got a keyboard for it.
    My dad who wanted to spend less cash on a phone then decided to transfer things off.
    He did manage to do most of it but it was a slog and he lost a lot of data he couldn’t transfer from apple.
    Another family member spent cashh on getting a new iphone and was able to transfer over no trouble.
    Coming from symbian, this shook me.
    While apple may be the 1 true ring, I no longer wish to become part of it.
    I’d be locked into apple and would then have to continue spending cash I didn’t have to continue to buy the latest iphone and have my stuff.
    From something like symbian where I’d have to use itunes, icloud and the like well heck I just didn’t feel good about it.
    Also icloud for windows stops a system restore from ever completing, so I guess if things screwed up enough I’d just have to either reformat a lot more or never use icloud on my system.
    Dad still has it as my aunt does and when the systems screw a system restore will not ever complete because of it.
    With security software, with all previders doing email security and most of that doing well including google to a certain extent, there is little chance from known previders getting a virus.
    You can iliminate a lot more by having cloud storage take your files instead of attachments to.
    Websites and torrents, etc are still about sadly, but with all the share rules using one of those pear to pear sharers just is no longer safe for the user.
    Put it this way, there was a time when stuff just worked and I think we need to get back to basics.
    The average user of office for example, will probably use word, maybe excell and outlook.
    Maybe they will use one note, and so on but at home only.
    In a business where they need to present maybe powerpoint to.
    But unless you are in business you probably won’t use anything else.
    A lot of our stuff as overpriced a long time before covid ever came along.
    Security wize, bar the bgt stuff, I suspect and I can not prove it that anything that is not microsoft, google, etc is getting targeted.
    A lot of software that for example is used by blind people seems to be the target of security software in general.
    Not every file is detected but even malwarebytes generates so much noise on false detections I just don’t run it.
    I think to be honest though that passive protections may be the only way forward, active may work but the user needs more control and some way to independantly scan a file with another scanner or something.
    I have had situations even in old avg where while the shield would report a virus, as well as the system scan, the on demand scan would pass the file as ok.
    I have had the situation where the shield said it was a virus but everything else was fine with it.
    Its gotten to the stage as I said, that I think security software is getting to the point if not more dangerous than the malware, at least overzellous and aucward to use.
    Confusing in its self and what it detects and why.
    Sometimes I will get a name from a software package of an unknown trogen and such.
    Worse if you are a developer, I have seen several leave after gtting flamed at, swarn at and threatened because they have viruses and put viruses in their software.
    Some trust the security software and it may or may not foul up, then some trolls take it further then its a manhunt linch fest.
    While I don’t blame the security companies and software for all of it they are responsible for the initial outbreaks and attacks.
    With this in mind, how the fuck can we in all the sence of the word actually call security software more secure.
    The collateral dammage is off the chance.
    Lets see, if you are hhacked, you will lose your data, your livelyhood, your money, and generally have a bad day.
    If you secure yourself, you stand to loose your data, your os, your sanity, your life, all your friends, and get your chance of personal and online threats and attacks to rize.
    Oh and you won’t know what caused it.
    And they won’t help you because they want your cash.
    When I set a system which is specialised, I spend a lot of time clearing and setting things, I am for the multiple drive system for data storage I tell people but also if you have software that doesn’t want to play nice withh security then I can just put that on there and at least windows lives.
    What we need is a bit of security software that loks for viruses.
    Not probabble viruses, not huristically generated viruses, only known viruses.
    Unknown and possible sounds nice but it generates so much noise that its not worth it in my opinion.
    Then again, it worked in 2007 so what changed now.
    My suspician is we will never know.

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